AMD's A620 Chipset Quietly Arrives Without Default Support for 65W-Plus CPUs

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  • atomicWAR
    Can't tell if that an April Fools joke or legit reporting with 65 watt only cpus. I assume legit but their is still some knawing thoughts otherwise.
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  • PlaneInTheSky
    The motherboards will not support the full range of Ryzen 7000 processors at their full power levels. You can install chips with higher TDP ratings into an A620 motherboard, and it will boot if the BIOS supports it, but the chip will not operate at its full peak power consumption (PPT). This means the highest-end chips will lose some performance in heavily-threaded applications due to VRM limitations.

    I already guessed as much by looking at these horribly cut down A620 boards, the VRM look completely inadequate to support higher-end CPU, let alone any future CPU.

    A620 boards should cost $40 max. They have a PCIe 3.0 chip lane, lack in features, and have horribly cut down VRM that will severely bottleneck every CPU over 65watt.

    AMD expects the reduced power delivery will not impact gaming much.

    It will not impact gaming much? That's your excuse AMD?

    What a bunch of baloney. You literally sold AM5 as a future proof platform and you're releasing overpriced chipsets and boards that are so cut down they bottleneck current CPU and will bottleneck every future CPU.
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  • thisisaname
    Unfortunately, that means the overall A620 lineup will likely also be more expensive than expected.

    You could replace A620 with nearly any computer part and it would be true.
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  • bjnmail
    I wish AMD would allow Curve Optimizer negative offsets on Ax20 boards. We don't need PBO in its full form, but Curve Optimizer negative offsets should be available across the range, as it can really be helpful for improving efficiency.

    Otherwise, I think the compromises made are pretty reasonable. And the 65W TDP recommendation is actually nice to see, especially when I've had clients trying to get me to put a 5950x in an A520 with a terrible 4+2 VRM on more than one occasion before, so having the recommended TDP limited to 65W will be helpful for consumers. It's also nice that it's not a hard limit, so if you really want to torture the VRMs to a premature death with a 7950x in the cheapest A620 you can find, you can still do it if you really want to.
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  • Alvar "Miles" Udell
    The thing is though, would you really recommend someone use it? With a 65w limit you're limited to the 7600, 7700, and 7900 (Non X) , all which have lower performance than the 5800X3D in games, and while it may be 30% slower in rendering tasks, it's not really the market for the ultra budget end. And for office tasks, go with cheaper Zen 3.

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  • btmedic04
    I fail to see how Asus deciding to gouge customers is an AMD problem. The success of Asus has gotten to their heads and hence, they've overpriced everything they make this current generation.
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  • PlaneInTheSky
    I fail to see how this is an AMD problem.

    It's an AMD problem because AMD flat out lied about AM5 in their slides.

    AMD said "$125 motherboards" would "grow with you" and would last "through 2025+".

    In reality, these $125 motherboards have a cut down chipset and cut down VRM that doesn't even support today's X or X3D series CPU, let alone those from 2025+.

    When people buy a $125 motherboard, only to realise it doesn't support X or X3D CPU and they can't upgrade, they're not going to be happy. The whole selling point of AM5 was that it would "grow with you". But AMD forgot to tell anyone that you need a $250+ motherboard to do that. AMD plastered the "$125 motherboard" on their slides that in reality won't "grow with you" instead.

    AMD writes right under the "$125 motherboard" sentence that you could "grow to PCIe 5.0", implying you could use existing PCIe 4.0 hardware and then upgrade it to 5.0 hardware. But the $125A620 mobo don't support PCIe 5.0, they feature PCIe 4.0 and only use PCIe 3.0 for the chipset lanes. There is no "growing into PCIe 5.0", these boards flat out don't support PCIe 5.0.


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  • TechieTwo
    PlaneInTheSky said:
    It's an AMD problem because AMD flat out lied about AM5 in their slides.

    AMD said "$125 motherboards" would "grow with you" and would last "through 2025+".

    In reality, these $125 motherboards have a cut down chipset and cut down VRM that doesn't even support today's X or X3D series CPU, let alone those from 2025+.

    When people buy a $125 motherboard, only to realise it doesn't support X or X3D CPU and they can't upgrade, they're not going to be happy.

    AMD writes right under the "$125 motherboard" sentence that you could "grow to PCIe 5.0", implying you could use existing PCIe 4.0 hardware and then upgrade it to 5.0 hardware. But the $125 B620 mobo don't support PCIe 5.0, they feature PCIe 4.0 and only use PCIe 3.0 for the chipset lanes. There is no "growing into PCIe 5.0", these boards flat out don't support PCIe 5.0.


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    AMD did not lie. The AM5 system has all levels of entry from a ridiculously inexpensive $85 mobo from Asrock to a $1000 price gouging mobo from Asus. Most people moving to AM5 understand it is a new platform with new DDR5 DRAM that is more expensive than DDR4. No one purchasing the cheapest entree level mobo @$85 should expect to have PCIe 5. It's of minute value now anyways. If you don't want the AM5 platform or can't afford it then the AM4 is still a viable platform that will be totally useful for many years for many people.

    If there is someone to be upset with it is Asus and other mobo makers charging >$500 for a $300 mobo. AMD doesn't set the mobo nor DRAM prices. You may have noticed DDR5 prices have dropped considerably with a world wide economic recession. If you are paying more than $300 for a quality AM5 mobo you are being exploited IMNHO - but it's a choice that YOU are making. No one is being forced to buy an over-priced AM5 mobo. You can get all the whistles and bells for $300 or less on the Asrock Steel Legend X670 chipset mobo. Newegg and other suppliers also offer package discounts on mobos/CPUs or mobo/DRAM or all three.
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  • PlaneInTheSky
    Most people moving to AM5 understand it is a new platform with new DDR5 DRAM that is more expensive than DDR4.

    That's right.

    But how many understand that the $125 board they just bought has a cut down VRM and chipset and they either won't be able to upgrade to X or X3D CPU at all, or will be severely bottlenecked by their board.

    That $80-$180 A620 range is the price range the average user spends on their board. All those people are going to think they can upgrade to higher end CPU at some point, that has been the whole selling point of AM5. They will not be able to.

    AMD needs to come out with a statement that makes it clear these $80-$180 A620 boards do not properly support X and X3D. Because they sold the whole AM5 platform on upgradability.
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  • Unolocogringo
    I look at it this way. Prices are what they are, there are no more $49/$59 dollar motherboards anymore. They have to have some profit or why produce it.
    As long as the motherboards are labeled correctly, stating up to 65watt cpu support who cares.
    You knew the limit when you purchased it.
    I mean the cheapest motherboards never supported the fastest CPUs properly. It might officially run it but at slower speeds.
    What is the big fuss about?

    :??:
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