Fake Rumors Suck: Will the Real RX 6000 Please Stand Up?

AMD RX 6000 early information tease
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There's a ton of excitement and anticipation surrounding AMD's upcoming RX 6000, aka Big Navi. We get it: We really want to see how AMD stacks up to Nvidia's new Ampere GPUs. Could AMD nab the top spot on the best graphics cards and GPU benchmarks? Maybe! But let's douse the flames a bit. Here's why we urge caution and not getting too caught up in all the hype.

First and most importantly: Every benchmark 'leak' so far is in question. We don't have confirmation of GPU core counts, clock speeds, or even model names. Perhaps more critically, final drivers are not yet available. We're not saying AMD doesn't have work-in-progress drivers, but if AMD has even half a clue of how to launch a big new GPU without actual verifiable leaks getting out, the AIBs do not have anything close to final RX 6000 drivers.

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Jarred Walton
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Jarred Walton is a senior editor at Tom's Hardware focusing on everything GPU. He has been working as a tech journalist since 2004, writing for AnandTech, Maximum PC, and PC Gamer. From the first S3 Virge '3D decelerators' to today's GPUs, Jarred keeps up with all the latest graphics trends and is the one to ask about game performance.

  • hotaru.hino
    The thing I hate about rumors and "leaks" with websites that report news is that if the rumor is true, they give themselves a pat on the back and attempt to claim points, if the rumor was false... well, it was a rumor so it shouldn't have been taken with any more than a grain of salt anyway (even if the site was hyping it up as if it was true).

    Always remain skeptical until it actually exists and was verified in the hands of someone other than the company making the product.
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  • JarredWaltonGPU
    hotaru.hino said:
    The thing I hate about rumors and "leaks" with websites that report news is that if the rumor is true, they give themselves a pat on the back and attempt to claim points, if the rumor was false... well, it was a rumor so it shouldn't have been taken with any more than a grain of salt anyway (even if the site was hyping it up as if it was true).

    Always remain skeptical until it actually exists and was verified in the hands of someone other than the company making the product.
    There are plenty of sites that actively retcon after a launch as well, going back and deleting all old references to incorrect specs, or at least redirecting to the real data. We do that to some extent as well, because that's just the way things work with web publishing these days. Still, I try to be very clear in our speculative / rumor posts when we do or don't know actual specs.
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  • everettfsargent
    Do you know what sucks in a bigly yuge sort of way? Writing an article about fake rumors. You might want to stick to actual product reviews, release dates, availability and pricing.
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  • hannibal
    Well it happens everytime... it can be Nvidia, Intel, amd, Apple... there always Are rumours that Are pure ....
    this article was not wery well done... I have to say.
    Rumours did say that nvdia ampera will have amazing raytrasing results... did not happen. Rumours did say that amd Zen2 would run 5.x GHz... did not happen... rumours say that Intel 7nm will save us all very soon. Did not happen (yet at least) rumours did say that iPhone 12 will have 120hz screen... did not happen
    It is normal thing that allways happen and has always happened.

    that is why... allways wait test results, no matter what company it is. This article was just a click bate that no matter how hard you could explain it...
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  • JarredWaltonGPU
    hannibal said:
    Well it happens everytime... it can be Nvidia, Intel, amd, Apple... there always Are rumours that Are pure ....
    this article was not wery well done... I have to say.
    Rumours did say that nvdia ampera will have amazing raytrasing results... did not happen. Rumours did say that amd Zen2 would run 5.x GHz... did not happen... rumours say that Intel 7nm will save us all very soon. Did not happen (yet at least) rumours did say that iPhone 12 will have 120hz screen... did not happen
    It is normal thing that allways happen and has always happened.

    that is why... allways wait test results, no matter what company it is. This article was just a click bate that no matter how hard you could explain it...
    Nope! Click bait would have been actually reporting on yet another RX 6900 XT or whatever benchmark leak. We chose to skip most of those because the 'sources' were so tenuous. This is me explaining why, and basically just saying wait until next week and we'll know for sure what the specs are, and pricing. Then we actually have something concrete to argue about, rather than some almost certainly fake rumors.

    If I had written a clickbait headline, it would have been "AMD RX 6800 XT Performance Leaks Point to Better Than RTX 3080 Performance" and it would have gotten two or three times as much traffic because of the keywords and phrasing.
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    JaredWalton, are we still up for the Root Beer bet based on what those performance numbers Lisa Su showed?

    You claim those performance #'s Lisa Su showed were from the top of the GPU stack.

    I'm betting it's not the top of the GPU stack, that's it's a lower tier card.
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  • spongiemaster
    Kamen Rider Blade said:
    JaredWalton, are we still up for the Root Beer bet based on what those performance numbers Lisa Su showed?

    You claim those performance #'s Lisa Su showed were from the top of the GPU stack.

    I'm betting it's not the top of the GPU stack, that's it's a lower tier card.
    Even if they showed the 72CU GPU, the top of the line 80CU GPU has only 11% more CU's which means it still isn't going to catch the 3090, which is on average about 10-15% faster than the 3080. I don't really see the point in holding back such a small difference in performance either. You're proposing that AMD gave a sneak peak of a card that about equals the 3080, but at the grand unveiling of RDNA2, they're going to "shock the world" and reveal a card that is single digits faster than the sneak peak card and still slower than the 3090? Why would they do that?
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  • JarredWaltonGPU
    Kamen Rider Blade said:
    JaredWalton, are we still up for the Root Beer bet based on what those performance numbers Lisa Su showed?

    You claim those performance #'s Lisa Su showed were from the top of the GPU stack.

    I'm betting it's not the top of the GPU stack, that's it's a lower tier card.
    Yup. Loser has to Venmo the winner $2.50 -- get a quality root beer or two for that. :beercheers:
    If AMD showed the second tier card, I lose. If AMD showed the top card that's launching in presumably November, I win.

    Let's throw in a clause, though: If AMD showed the not-fastest Navi 21 card but the fastest card doesn't launch this year, it's a draw. So yeah, I'm aware of rumors that there will be Navi 21 XTX, Navi 21 XT, and Navi 21 XL (6900 XT, 6800 XT, 6800). If it showed 6800 XT but the 6900 XT is "coming later" (sort of like how with Zen 2, the Ryzen 9 3950X didn't launch until several months later), then we'll call it quits. (And if this happens, I will be severely disappointed in AMD.)
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  • Conahl
    spongiemaster said:
    Even if they showed the 72CU GPU, the top of the line 80CU GPU has only 11% more CU's which means it still isn't going to catch the 3090, which is on average about 10-15% faster than the 3080. I don't really see the point in holding back such a small difference in performance either. You're proposing that AMD gave a sneak peak of a card that about equals the 3080, but at the grand unveiling of RDNA2, they're going to "shock the world" and reveal a card that is single digits faster than the sneak peak card and still slower than the 3090? Why would they do that?

    rdna2 doesnt have to catch the 3090, it just has to be fast enough, where it makes the 3090, and the price nvidia is charging for it, look even more stupid. think about it spungimaster, IF amd did show its top card, in a TEASER, what would they have to show on the 28th, and in a way, what would even be the point of that event ? sorry to say this to you, but some of your posts, seems to indicate, you hate, or strongly dislike amd for some reason. and you also seem to, in other posts, praise intel and nvidia. amd has done a really good job with its Zen line, and looks to be doing very well with rdna and rdna2.
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    JarredWaltonGPU said:
    Yup. Loser has to Venmo the winner $2.50 -- get a quality root beer or two for that. :beercheers:
    If AMD showed the second tier card, I lose. If AMD showed the top card that's launching in presumably November, I win.

    Let's throw in a clause, though: If AMD showed the not-fastest Navi 21 card but the fastest card doesn't launch this year, it's a draw. So yeah, I'm aware of rumors that there will be Navi 21 XTX, Navi 21 XT, and Navi 21 XL (6900 XT, 6800 XT, 6800). If it showed 6800 XT but the 6900 XT is "coming later" (sort of like how with Zen 2, the Ryzen 9 3950X didn't launch until several months later), then we'll call it quits. (And if this happens, I will be severely disappointed in AMD.)
    I don't use Venmo, I was hoping to meet up IRL. Are you opposed to meeting up in Los Angeles somewhere?
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