Nvidia CEO Says Intel's Test Chip Results For Next-Gen Process Are Good

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  • bit_user
    Intel's upcoming server CPUs (Sierra Forest & Granite Rapids) will use the Intel 3 node, which I think should raise some questions about the amount of volume it would be able to supply to IFS customers, in 2024.

    Also:
    "a leading cloud, edge, and data center solutions provider as a leading-edge customer for Intel 3"Could be ARM, if they're going to start making chiplets. Other possibilities: Microsoft, Google, perhaps Marvell or IBM. Even Qualcomm would fit, but that would be a stretch.
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  • PlaneInTheSky
    It's no wonder Nvidia is interested in Intel's foundry, TSMC has been raising prices non-stop.

    People are complaining about GPU prices, but from all the reports I have read, TSMC is largely responsible for these price hikes, much more than Nvidia or AMD themselves.
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  • bit_user
    PlaneInTheSky said:
    It's no wonder Nvidia is interested in Intel's foundry, TSMC has been raising prices non-stop.

    People are complaining about GPU prices, but from all the reports I have read, TSMC is largely responsible for these price hikes, much more than Nvidia or AMD themselves.
    Interesting. Can you give some examples or sources?
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  • Makaveli
    this is good for AMD as it mean less competition for nodes at TSMC
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  • PlaneInTheSky
    bit_user said:
    Interesting. Can you give some examples or sources?

    TSMC has been aggressively raising prices on high-end nodes in the last 3 years. Far higher than inflationary pressure can possibly explain.

    The reason these price hikes are so extremely aggressive on high-end nodes but less on low-end, is a reflection of TSMC competition on low-end nodes, but monopoly on high-end nodes


    Increased price of wafer has a large impact on the subsequent price of hardware products.



    By 2022, Apple (TSMC's biggest customer) actually rejected TSMC price hikes. But because TSMC has such a monopoly on high-end nodes, even Apple was forced to bend the knee for TSMC.

    All these hardware companies like Apple, Nvidia, etc...would love nothing more than TSMC getting some competition.

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  • PlaneInTheSky
    For what it's worth, I believe the positive public statement from Nvida about Intel's foundry, is a shot across the bow towards TSMC and Samsung.

    Imo, Nvidia is really saying this: "raise prices further at TSMC/Samsung, and our future chips will be made at Intel instead".
    The fact Apple rejected TSMC prices, while not an openly public statement, Apple had no issues with this news going public.
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  • JayNor
    I imagine TSM has to raise prices in anticipation of the EUV tool costs for capacity expansion. The next round of EUV tools are significantly over $340M, according to a comment from Intel CEO.

    Last year those EUV tools were $200M, and the DUV tools of the prior gen were $40M to $60M
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  • bit_user
    JayNor said:
    I imagine TSM has to raise prices in anticipation of the EUV tool costs for capacity expansion.
    Yes, if you can. Otherwise, you borrow the money to invest in new capacity.

    Ultimately, it boils down to charging what the market will bear. If you do that and have enough money to fund future expansion, great. If you're still short, then you need to borrow the remainder.
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  • TechieTwo
    What's with the leather jacket all the time? Is Jensen cold or something?
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  • RedBear87
    Makaveli said:
    this is good for AMD as it mean less competition for nodes at TSMC
    It's less good news if we look at the international tensions... Nvidia is practising what is lately popularly called "de-risking".
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