Our testing shows the Ryzen 7 9800X3D can match the pricier Ryzen 7 9850X3D with simple PBO settings — AMD's latest CPU can't leverage extra clock speed in games

The Ryzen 7 9850X3D CPU leaning against a graphics card.
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In my Ryzen 7 9850X3D review, I called AMD’s latest gaming chip “a 9800X3D in a trench coat.” It was a quip at AMD that, although technically the fastest gaming processor around, the new CPU was only 3.3% faster than the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, despite selling for anywhere from $40 to $70 more. It’s a small margin that isn’t worth the extra money, but it’s still a consistent one. Say what you will about the 9850X3D, but it is technically faster than the Ryzen 7 9800X3D in games where you aren’t completely bound by the GPU.

But PBO (Precision Boost Overdrive) changes that dynamic. For our CPU reviews, we manually disable PBO to keep testing consistent. AMD’s PBO is dynamic and allows the processor to eke out a bit of extra performance when thermal and/or power conditions allow. It’s an uncontrolled variable in our reviews, voids your warranty, and is dependent on silicon and your specific setup, so we leave it off. However, it’s very easy to turn on. And the Ryzen 7 9800X3D with PBO turned on looks an awful lot like the Ryzen 7 9850X3D.

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Jake Roach
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Jake Roach is the Senior CPU Analyst at Tom’s Hardware, writing reviews, news, and features about the latest consumer and workstation processors.

  • TerryLaze
    Are we supposed to be surprised by that?!
    It's the same for the KS CPUs ,or long ago for the non-K cpus when they still had overclocking.
    Overclocking often gets you to the next tier up, you are paying the premium to keep your warranty and more importantly your piece of mind.
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  • Gururu
    Isn't the #1 guidance right now regarding 9800X3D is DONT increase the voltage (i.e. PBO)? At least until they figure out the socket issues.
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  • awake283
    Maybe I lost the silicon lottery but enabling PBO leads directly to instability. But I have a 7800. Anyway, Im not sure raising the voltage on 9800's is the best idea. Seems like a lot of risk for hardly any reward.
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  • TerryLaze
    abufrejoval said:
    but reverting to stock values and mechanisms (PBO), must return proper functionality.
    PB (precision boost) is stock, PBO (precision boost overdrive) is overclocking, it's not stock.
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  • Makaveli
    Thanks for the review and pretty much what I was expecting.

    9800X3D + PBO = stock 9850X3D performance.

    I generally see 5.425 Ghz Clocks speeds in all my games with PBO + 200 on my 9800X3D however my power consumption is alittle better because I use CO -15 all core while you didn't use any in this testing.
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  • -Fran-
    Thanks for the testing.

    Now we have some evidence to share with stubborn people swearing the 9850X3D is a whole new CPU, lol.

    This CPU is as exciting as the XT CPU refreshes were before it.

    Nothing burger for more money. Great going AMD. Really clever.

    Regards.
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  • JayGau
    Gururu said:
    Isn't the #1 guidance right now regarding 9800X3D is DONT increase the voltage (i.e. PBO)? At least until they figure out the socket issues.
    There is likely no socket issue, or at least not specifically for the 9800X3D. According to MindFactory data, the current RMA request rate for the 9800X3D is one of the lowest among the Ryzen chips, at only 0.71%, way below the 7900x at 1.05%, for example. The i9 14900k is at 4.61% (to compare with a CPU that has a real problem).

    https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-has-reportedly-one-of-the-lowest-rma-rates-in-ryzen-9000-7000-series/
    Looks like another social-media-induced psychosis. It's what happens when youtubers and tech websites make a big deal of some random comments on reddit.
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  • Gururu
    JayGau said:
    There is likely no socket issue, or at least not specifically for the 9800X3D. According to MindFactory data, the current RMA request rate for the 9800X3D is one of the lowest among the Ryzen chips, at only 0.71%, way below the 7900x at 1.05%, for example. The i9 14900k is at 4.61% (to compare with a CPU that has a real problem).

    https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-has-reportedly-one-of-the-lowest-rma-rates-in-ryzen-9000-7000-series/
    Looks like another social-media-induced psychosis. It's what happens when youtubers and tech websites make a big deal of some random comments on reddit.
    So that probably means that there is nothing wrong with ASRock boards either.
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  • VizzieTheViz
    If you’re building a 9800x3d or a 9850x3d pc you’re likely looking at a € 2K or more build. Who cares about € 50 extra at that point?

    If I were to build a machine like that now I’d get the 9850X3D for the little extra it costs. It’s guaranteed to be slightly faster and will only make the pc cost slightly more.
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  • awake283
    abufrejoval said:
    My understanding of PBO is that it's a closed cybernetic loop, whose purpose is explicitly to exclude the instability by a combination of measurements and coefficients obtained during late stage chip production bring-up.

    Instead of a single fixed binning curve of say clock and volts, the CPU uses addiitonal sensors and matrix data, perhaps also a small neural model to dial in clock and voltage parameters beyond the conservative risk margin binning tables.

    But since that is standard advertised functionality, what's quite unacceptable is AMD denying warranty when it's used. That's a lot like selling a car with air condition and denying warranty if you actually turn it on once.

    Configuring manual overrides beyond stock or PBO derived coefficients is another matter, but even there a modern CPU should never be able to cause permanent damage. AMD no longer warranting proper computing results at that point seems acceptable, but reverting to stock values and mechanisms (PBO), must return proper functionality.

    Letting you burn the chip into a crisp they need to pre-empt, because most likely they could and thus should: can't have your CPU set the house on fire, even if someone might want to. Buying a CPU doesn't give you the right to turn it into an incendiary device via some perverted freedom of speech corollary, when such a mechanism risks avoidable harm by innocents or idiots.
    Interesting!!
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