Lunar Lake's integrated memory is an expensive one-off — Intel rejects the approach for future CPUs due to margin impact
Lunar Lake was a one-off project with on-package memory.
On-package memory is one of the factors that made Apple's M-series processors fast, efficient, and compact. With its Core Ultra 200V (Lunar Lake) processors, Intel adopted the same architecture, which enabled what Intel says is a great product but severely hurt Intel's profit margins. The chipmaker (via SeekingAlpha) says it will no longer feature on-package memory for next-gen CPUs.
"[On-package memory is] a one-off with Lunar Lake," said Pat Gelsinger, chief executive of Intel, at the earnings conference call with analysts and investors. That will not be the case with Panther Lake, Nova Lake, and its successors as well. We will build it in a more traditional way with memory off package in the CPU, GPU, NPU, and I/O capabilities in the package. But volume memory will be off-package in the roadmap going forward."
Intel's Core Ultra 200V processors come with 16GB or 32GB of on-package LPDDR5X-8533 memory connected using a 128-bit interface. This allows for the saving of plenty of space inside laptops, as memory modules (and soldered-down memory chips) occupy a lot of space. That area can be used to install bigger batteries, ensuring greater battery life or some additional logic to boost functionality. As a bonus, on-package memory can help to cut latencies and power consumption.
However, on-package memory means that Intel needed to procure these LPDDR5X devices at prices higher than those available to large OEMs. This, for obvious reasons, affects Intel's own profit margin. Handling that memory and installing it on the package also costs money, another factor that affects the profitability of the Lunar Lake product. Finally, selling CPUs with pre-installed memory reduces flexibility for PC makers, which is important for them.
Intel says it envisioned Lunar Lake as a niche product for compact laptops with long battery life. However, since end users demand advanced on-device AI capabilities and Lunar Lake can offer relatively high NPU performance, Intel had to increase output volume for these Core Ultra 2-series processors. Although Intel says that these CPUs are pretty successful, it does not want to deal with on-package DRAM going forward.
"Lunar Lake was initially designed to be a niche product that we wanted to achieve highest performance and great battery life capability, and then AI PC occurred," said Gelsinger. "And with AI PC, it went from being a niche product to a pretty high-volume product. Now relatively speaking, we are not talking about 50 million, 100 million units, but a meaningful portion of our total mix from a relatively small piece of it as well. So as that shift occurred, this became a bigger margin implication both for Lunar Lake and for the company overall."
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Anton Shilov is a contributing writer at Tom’s Hardware. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.
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DS426 Well at least they didn't get low volume on low margins. Wouldn't one normally price a niche market product for having higher margin on lower volume? It just seems like Pat is contracting himself. I mean if anything, most of the margin drop is due to using, TSMC, yeah?Reply
They must be banking on LPCAMM2 being a big leap forward to say they won't do this again. -
Li Ken-un
And offending themDS426 said:most of the margin drop is due to using, TSMC, yeah?
That’s some market power right there. For TSMC to take back the 40% discount and Intel to suck it up despite the increased cost. -
JRStern What a stupid announcement. It's probably a strong marketing insight that integrated memory is a strong plus for client systems.Reply
It's a quick and easy way to get a strong performance boost.
In fact they should probably integrate some gigabytes of flash in there, too - except flash has limited life, but that's *good*, it'll sell more Intel replacement processors! -
Alvar "Miles" Udell It's a design they can revisit when it makes more financial sense, or even apply their design knowledge for a semi-custom or custom order as there are plenty of applications for a more compact SoC that don't need to be cutting edge quick.Reply -
Kamen Rider Blade Or they can finally move onto CAMM modules as promised if they wanted "Low Profile" memory while having flexibility.Reply
Doesn't matter if it's LPDDR5 or standard DDR5, CAMM can take care of it.
It's a form factor optimized for NoteBooks.
Start using the bloody thing, what's the hold up? -
Pierce2623
LPCAMM2 doesn’t offer any of the benefits from the on-package memory, like reduced latency and power usage. It’s literally just a different form factor than SODIMMs, where they put both sticks into one module.DS426 said:Well at least they didn't get low volume on low margins. Wouldn't one normally price a niche market product for having higher margin on lower volume? It just seems like Pat is contracting himself. I mean if anything, most of the margin drop is due to using, TSMC, yeah?
They must be banking on LPCAMM2 being a big leap forward to say they won't do this again. -
Root Canal
Snapdraggon EliteX would have crushed Intel but for this.JRStern said:It's a quick and easy way to get a strong performance boost. -
SunMaster Perhaps it¨s a way of saving face vs. ending the TSMC cooperation (in the not too distant future). It would perhaps have been solid economically with 40% discount with TSMC.Reply