Life At 2 GT/s: 6 GB DDR3-2000 Memory Kits Compared
G.Skill Perfect Storm, OCZ Blade
G.Skill Perfect Storm DDR3-2000 CAS 7
One of only two companies to provide CAS 7 rated parts, G.Skill continues to market itself as a better-value enthusiast brand by slightly undercutting the prices of its competitors.
G.Skill includes a two-fan cooler with its ultra-performance RAM, similar to Corsair’s but with slightly lighter construction. Unlike Corsair, G.Skill puts its retail module and cooler kit in a retail-friendly clear package.
Intel XMP programming allow builders to more easily set those tight 7-8-7-20 timings at DDR3-2000, as long as their motherboards support XMP. Reaching DDR3-2000 with any modules does require increasing CPU base clock however, and most overclockers will probably choose manual configuration.
OCZ Blade DDR3-2000 CAS 7
The other CAS 7 modules in today’s lineup comes from OCZ, its Blade Series Low-Voltage kit neither including nor requiring any added cooling.
OCZ’s low-voltage label must be relative to its former dual-channel kits, since its 1.65V rating is the same as the other Core i7 oriented high-performance packages.
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OCZ doesn’t add XMP-2000 programming, which isn’t a big loss since a data rate of 2000 MHz requires base-clock alteration normally reserved for manual overclocking anyway. We would, however, have liked to see a DDR3-1866 XMP value, since that matches an available Intel memory ratio.
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philologos Can I make a suggestion? I would like to see a trial, in which the i7's integrated memory controller is overvolted incrementally to death.Reply
Much has been made since the inception of Nehalem about the offical "safe" vDimm limit of 1.65v. There have been no lack of intrepid overclockers who've pushed this spec to 1.7, even 1.75 volts. I want to see the actual limitation demonstrated in spectacular fashion with pictures. Also, I highly suspect memory voltage on the X58 platform is capable of increasing the CPU heat output; it would be satisfying to see confirmation of this. Give this idea some thought. -
dragonsprayer Hey guys, THG is the best! People you need free tech support THG is #1! The article is nice, I wish we had a big comparison to really show - 3 cpu's, different rans....well anyways!!! Good info as always, fact is you do get significant ranges of mem bandwidth at the same settings. You can take different types of ram , set them at the same settings all 100% stable and yes huge swings in membandidth.Reply
Yes, in in many cases high end ram give slight increases, those ranges of 10-15% are common for bandwidth. Yet the i7 system is so advanced and so far a head of software, the software rarely knows the difference or the results i should say.
WSZ says: Skip 2000 ram, go for 1600 ram, a 920 at 1500-1700 fsb is untouchable for the pricer to performance provided. THG has show muskin 7-7-7 or slightly higher latecy ram to really blow everyone away.
We live in the best times, for the advancement of computer parts, we an not shirink for ever!!! We are at 32nm? Then what 3 atoms thickness?
Yes, AMD really has a good system now with the south bridge 750 oc, but nobody cares - i mean my customers. 7-8-7-20 at 1.65v at 1550 to 1650 is the sweet spot if you can squeeze it out - you may just go with 8-8-8-24 with 6GB of $100 ram. Sweet spot on the 20 multipier is 3.8ghz air cooled. We getting 4.4ghz with water - i toss a photo in for fun - this is mid level system with minmual rads but runs 70-75c at 4.3ghz all day with quad sli: http://s329.photobucket.com/albums/l373/warpedsystems/?action=view¤t=WSZ-WCcm-T31.jpg -
dragonsprayer philologos -- does not help at all, in fact it just makes the system unstable, skip the stroy why we set thte QPI to 1.65v instead of 1.33v as was to be done. The reuslts:Reply
system was find, after 3 weeks starting have issues - crashes
bottom line is do not to it - 1.33-1.35v is fine for most QPI
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doomtomb 1600MHz DDR3 still provides the best price/performance. Not just that, but there is about 0.5% real world performance gain from higher clocked memory.Reply -
dragonsprayer exactly doomtombReply
in fact this has not change for 3 years
around 1600-1700 is the sweet spot, in highend and exact system, make just one lateny setting lower - we are build 3 systems. one, is a $4000 air cooled system, one is a $5000 water cooled and one is a $6000+ water - these are not gaming sytems.
Getting the fsb is right is the most important thing in building a system, while i can it fsb in a i7 - it still the memory bus evern if its not fsb or front side bus
2-2-2-5 ram for ddr400 ddr
3-3-4-8 ram in ddr800 ddr2
7-7-7-20 with ddr3
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Crashman philologosCan I make a suggestion? I would like to see a trial, in which the i7's integrated memory controller is overvolted incrementally to death.Much has been made since the inception of Nehalem about the offical "safe" vDimm limit of 1.65v. There have been no lack of intrepid overclockers who've pushed this spec to 1.7, even 1.75 volts. I want to see the actual limitation demonstrated in spectacular fashion with pictures. Also, I highly suspect memory voltage on the X58 platform is capable of increasing the CPU heat output; it would be satisfying to see confirmation of this. Give this idea some thought.Reply
Unfortunately that's impossible. They don't die instantly, they die over a matter of weeks. Intel published a bunch of data on how long the memory controller last at various voltage levels, we're talking several weeks at 1.70v and at least a few days at 1.75v.
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Kill@dor Awesome review Thomas. Thank you for making a great comparison... I still think Kingston's DDR3-2000 is the best value over all. Pushing the CPU past 1.7v core is not an option in my opinion, and anyone with good clocking skills can push a core i7 920+ to 4.0GHz @ 1.25v with this kind of RAM speed and bandwidth. I'm running an (1066 strap)E6600 @ 3.6GHz, 2:8 ratio and 20MB/s dual-channel throughput on DDR2-1200, the 8800GT Superclocked Version and it runs crysis like silk on 2ms 1920x1080p. Super Talent has shown better performance and value in this line and i'm glad to see it as well. This is the kind of performance i have been waiting for and its a great confirmation of what i have been suspecting about these RAM's. The only reason why i haven't changed the graphics is because Nvidia/ATI have not had a significant jump in hardware besides the 4870x2 and GTX295 (too expensive/too much power needed), but i know the good stuff is coming Q4. Time to build another 5yr build with a quad this time ^_^Reply -
sublifer Great review. At the pricing chart I was eyeing the Kingston with the low price and decent rated timings. I was surprised to see the cheapest kit, the Super Talent, to match up with the best in timings, that'd definitely be a great buy.Reply -
dragonsprayer Ya, check that supertalent review on newegg - oops thats me! we used that in many systems!Reply
if you want to pot for the extra bandwidth get muskin
corasir gave us 10%+ more bandwidth at the same settings a supertalent - then again it was double the price -
avatar_raq Nice article..But I thought it'll include real time programs and games benchmarks. Honestly, we all know the difference netween them is so small, that's negligible.Reply