ISP tricked customers about fiber optics being used in their internet service, German court rules — 'full fiber' customers found to have 'last mile' copper connections
It is technically fiber optic, but the connection between the home and the distribution box still relies on copper cables.
The German Koblenz Regional Court has banned 1&1 from referring to its fiber-to-the-curb (FTTC) service as fiber-optic DSL, because it still uses copper cables for the final stage of its connections, sometimes for up to a mile. According to the Federation of German Consumer Organizations [machine translated], users who visited the ISP’s website and checked connection availability would get a ‘1&1 fiber optic DSL connection available’ check mark, even if the entire line isn’t composed entirely of fiber optic cables.
However, the reality is that the fiber optic cables end at the distribution box, which is usually installed in the street for residential neighborhoods or at the service room of a multi-unit structure building. From there, the company uses copper lines to run directly into the homes of its subscribers and pairs it with vectoring connection technology that reduces interference between multiple connections that terminate at the box. This boosts the DSL speed up to 100mbps, giving subscribers the impression that they’re paying for and getting fiber optic internet, which is not the case. "However, the plans listed directly below the check results with the label "1&1 Fiber Optic DSL" were not fiber optic plans. In fact, they offered conventional DSL plans," the body explains.
The monthly rates on these connections do reflect DSL pricing, not fiber optic connection costs. But the fact that its branding and presentation have ‘fiber optic’ all over, customers who aren’t familiar with terminology and pricing can be easily confused. Because of this, the German consumer group sued the company, with its chairperson, Ramona Pop, saying that “Anyone who apparently promises fiber optics but can only deliver DSL is deceiving customers.”
German courts have agreed with the consumer group, saying that the company’s use of ‘fiber optics’ was misleading. After all, when customers hear fiber optics, they often assume that they’re getting fiber optics all the way into their homes. And while the fine print reportedly contains information saying that part of the line uses a copper connection, the judiciary said that it wasn’t enough to avoid tricking customers into thinking that the offered connection is full fiber.
Unfortunately, while the consumer group may have won this round, the order isn’t enforceable yet. The company has appealed the ruling, so we will have to wait for the decision of a higher court before 1&1 will be forced to change its advertising.
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vanadiel007 I must be missing something, but fiberoptic DSL would clearly indicate a DSL part.Reply
That and who cares how they connect you, as long as the advertised speed and other stats are correct.. -
S58_is_the_goat We have an isp in Canada that named their internet Fibe, from time to time people ask me if their 100mbps fiber internet is any good, I'm like no thats not fiber that's dsl. Internet is fine though but slow like dialup, while the competition has upto 2.5gbps cable.Reply -
S58_is_the_goat Reply
I can sell you a car that is a fast as a Ferrari for a fraction of the price... Who cares how it looks as long as its as fast as a Ferrari.vanadiel007 said:I must be missing something, but fiberoptic DSL would clearly indicate a DSL part.
That and who cares how they connect you, as long as the advertised speed and other stats are correct.. -
BFG-9000 Reply
Yes but the problem is if they call it a Ferrari when it is not.S58_is_the_goat said:I can sell you a car that is a fast as a Ferrari for a fraction of the price... Who cares how it looks as long as its as fast as a Ferrari.
Porsche has two EVs they have named "Turbo" models: the Macan Turbo SUV and the Taycan Turbo sedan, neither of which could use or have turbos. Porsche has decreed that Turbo just means their top model, because words don't mean anything anymore -
hwertz Once we had two fiber opitc providers in town, our local cable company started advertising their 'fiber rich network'. It is of course 100% ordinary HFC (hybrid fiber coax) as has been used all along.Reply
But indeed, fiber optic DSL is a nonsense term since DSL is strictly phone line technology. I must agree., though, for me the speed is the speed and I don't care how they get it to me as long as it's fast and reliable. -
ThisIsMe While I agree that if they provide the speeds they promised that’s good, but they should also provide the medium they promised as well. In fact, anytime the fine print has to be used to qualify anything or bend the meaning of the marketing, that’s a red flag.Reply
Also, beyond just faster speeds, FTTH solutions usually provide lower latency and less variation in service quality. I have FTTH at 8gb/s symmetrical and that’s great and all, but the real nicety is the 1-3 ms ping to nearly all major service providers. This doesn’t seem to change throughout the day or during peaks times. This makes everything feel much faster. -
farmerfreddy91 Reply
What? 100mbps is not "slow like dialup." Not even close. Dialup is 56kbps. That's literally 1786 times faster.S58_is_the_goat said:We have an isp in Canada that named their internet Fibe, from time to time people ask me if their 100mbps fiber internet is any good, I'm like no thats not fiber that's dsl. Internet is fine though but slow like dialup, while the competition has upto 2.5gbps cable. -
USAFRet Reply
I have Verizon fiber directly to my house. The fiber optic line comes to the back wall of my house, literally.S58_is_the_goat said:We have an isp in Canada that named their internet Fibe, from time to time people ask me if their 100mbps fiber internet is any good, I'm like no thats not fiber that's dsl. Internet is fine though but slow like dialup, while the competition has upto 2.5gbps cable.
100/100.
And it serves my power user needs just fine...')
I could upgrade to much, much faster if choose. Symmetrical gigabit, for instance.
But so far, I've not had a need to do that.
But trust me..it ain't DSL. -
Misgar Reply
I've had two lightning strikes near my house. The first killed my ADSL router on my POTS line and a hardwere firewall also died. The second lightning strike a few years later cremated the router on my cable connection.hwertz said:for me the speed is the speed and I don't care how they get it to me as long as it's fast and reliable.
After that I installed a heavy copper wire down to a earth mat buried in the ground and installed lightning arrestors, in the forlorn hope they might do some good.
I now have fibre-to-the-premises (I watched the intallers blow a strand of fibre up a conduit) so that's one less avenue of attack for the next bolt of lightning.
I still get the same speed on fibre as I used to get on copper, but that's only because I'm not prepared to pay the equivalent of US $80/month for 2.2gig speed.
The only downside is my landline phone (connected to the fibre router) stops working during a power cut. The router is powered from my APS UPS, but I doubt the cabinet down the street will keep working. The same power cut usually kills the nearby mobile phone mast, so a land line phone that still worked without mains was handy for emergencies.
My good old fashioned copper POTS line was powered from the local exchange 3 miles away and carried on running from emergency batteries located in the exchange, when the mains failed. Sometimes new technology isn't perfect. -
H4unter Reply
Why not state that company's name?S58_is_the_goat said:We have an isp in Canada that named their internet Fibe, from time to time people ask me if their 100mbps fiber internet is any good, I'm like no thats not fiber that's dsl. Internet is fine though but slow like dialup, while the competition has upto 2.5gbps cable.
That company is Bell Canada... and they are absolute grifters. They have advertised fiber internet for at least 10 years, but only recently have they actually started running fiber directly into the home. Previously it was DSL to the street and then fiber to internet. Anyone who has used DSL can attest to its extremely poor latency and great need for error correction which impedes practical bandwidth.