Microsoft's OpenAI losses hidden as part of $4.7 billion 'other' expense — stake in AI company still doesn't turn a profit as companies grapple with ongoing contract negotiation

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Microsoft’s AI ambitions are in large part tied to OpenAI, but the financial picture surrounding the connection is pretty murky. In its latest annual report, Microsoft disclosed a $4.7 billion line item under “other, net” expenses for the fiscal year ending June 30, with no itemized breakdown. What it did admit is that the bulk of that figure reflects “net recognized losses on equity method investments,” according to reporting by The Wall Street Journal. And while it’s long been understood that OpenAI falls into that category, the filing never mentions the company by name, nor does it classify OpenAI as a related party.

Under US GAAP, the equity method is applied when a company has “significant influence” over another, typically with a 20% to 50% stake. That level of influence generally requires clear disclosure of material related-party transactions, particularly if the investee is financially significant. In OpenAI’s case, it is. A recent secondary share sale reportedly valued OpenAI at around $500 billion. Even if Microsoft’s economic stake is diluted below 49% by profit caps or partnership mechanics, the fair market value of its position is still potentially north of $100 billion.

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  • redgarl
    "For a $3.9 trillion company whose stock is now priced in part on AI execution, that’s a risk Microsoft probably can’t continue to take."

    ROFL... are you kidding me? Microsoft has one of the biggest stake in the company at the forefront of the research, and you believe a lost of 5B$ in a private company matter to the investors when the stock is worth 4T$ in market cap?

    No, the real business MS is bleeding money in that the investors would like MS to pull the plug on is their gaming division.
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  • -Fran-
    redgarl said:
    "For a $3.9 trillion company whose stock is now priced in part on AI execution, that’s a risk Microsoft probably can’t continue to take."

    ROFL... are you kidding me? Microsoft has one of the biggest stake in the company at the forefront of the research, and you believe a lost of 5B$ in a private company matter to the investors when the stock is worth 4T$ in market cap?

    No, the real business MS is bleeding money in that the investors would like MS to pull the plug on is their gaming division.
    It's more of "for how long" they'll keep burning money without an expectation of a return on investments.

    You're not wrong with the sentiment though: they're so blinded by the "AI" shine, they may be overlooking long term reliability for the company itself. Not that I would mind Microsoft going under or, at least, suffering dearly for this. Before that reaches a point of criticality, XBox will die or get extirpated from MS' side, for sure.

    Perhaps a bit overly dramatic, but I can't say* the sentiment is not there.

    Regards.
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  • JRStern
    ... or that much of the $13.75 billion it committed hasn’t been recognized as invested capital in accounting terms.
    Much of their support for OpenAI has been to provide infrastructure and Azure time, just how that appears on accounting reports I dunno.

    And I'm sure the bigs at Microsoft are furious with OpenAI for not monetizing things already and making huge coin by advertising on the site. It doesn't even need to be "profit", just managing capital and capex. About $100b/years worth of managing, LOL.
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  • SomeoneElse23
    JRStern said:
    Much of their support for OpenAI has been to provide infrastructure and Azure time, just how that appears on accounting reports I dunno.

    And I'm sure the bigs at Microsoft are furious with OpenAI for not monetizing things already and making huge coin by advertising on the site. It doesn't even need to be "profit", just managing capital and capex. About $100b/years worth of managing, LOL.
    I'd really like some transparency on what is the end goal to this AI fad.

    IMHO bleeding money like this hasn't happened since the "dot com" boom, and then crash.
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  • Carnes
    redgarl said:
    No, the real business MS is bleeding money in that the investors would like MS to pull the plug on is their gaming division.
    A quick google says their games have a 12% profit margin on $23 billion in revenue. Why pull the plug on that?
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  • Amdlova
    Carnes said:
    A quick google says their games have a 12% profit margin on $23 billion in revenue. Why pull the plug on that?
    WOKEEEEEEEEEE things... Microsoft is doomed with their game division.
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  • JRStern
    SomeoneElse23 said:
    I'd really like some transparency on what is the end goal to this AI fad.
    Sam Altman, Elon Musk, execs at Microsoft, and all their ilk seriously believed and perhaps still do that all they had to do was scale up and up and they would take over the planet and possibly the universe. All they needed was mo' money. The winner could afford anything, the losers, well, not so much, LOL.

    Whether or not they still believe it they don't know how to stop acting like they believe it, or all their funders would say, "Hey!"

    So ask yourself, what is the size of the bet you should make rationally, if that is the prize?
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  • palladin9479
    SomeoneElse23 said:
    I'd really like some transparency on what is the end goal to this AI fad.

    IMHO bleeding money like this hasn't happened since the "dot com" boom, and then crash.
    Just remember that Google, Amazon, Oracle and Microsoft all came out of that period. It will be the same with "AI", once the artificial hype dies out, stock valuations will plummet and trillions of USD worth of value will be wiped out in a very short time. The winners will be the companies who effectively leveraged the technology for profit, the losers will be everyone else.
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  • phead128
    I used "CoPilot with ChatGPT 5" at work, I don't know why, but it's pretty Dogshit compared to OpenAI's GPT 5 on the paid plus plan.

    I doubt they are making much money. I don't see a viable path for them since they don't have any own their own AI products. They have a nerfed version of GPT 5 that's only good for writing emails and summarizing basic stuff.
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  • thestryker
    redgarl said:
    No, the real business MS is bleeding money in that the investors would like MS to pull the plug on is their gaming division.
    Their gaming business has been profitable for a while. The only problem over there was the huge capital expenditure of buying ABK.

    The company has been pushing leaner operations across the board to cover for the AI losses. Not to mention their CEO is a true believer and has been pushing the usage of AI company wide.
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