Intel might axe the 18A process node for foundry customers, essentially leaving TSMC with no rival — Intel reportedly to focus on 14A (Updated)

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Lip-Bu Tan, chief executive of Intel
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Lip-Bu Tan, the chief executive of Intel, is considering stopping the promotion of the company's 18A fabrication technology (1.8nm-class) to foundry customers, instead shifting the company's efforts to its next-generation 14A manufacturing process (1.4nm-class) in a bid to secure orders from large customers like Apple or Nvidia, reports Reuters. If this shift in focus occurs, it would be the second node in a row that Intel has deprioritized.

The proposed adjustment could result in major financial consequences and alter the trajectory of Intel's foundry operations, as it will effectively withdraw the company from the foundry market for several years. Intel informs us that the information is based on market speculation. However, the spokesperson provided some additional insight on the company's roadmap, which we've added further below.

“We are not going to comment on market rumors and speculation," an Intel spokesperson said to Tom's Hardware. "As we have said previously, we are committed to strengthening our roadmap, delivering for our customers and improving our financial position for the future."

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  • User of Computers
    Intel has been saying since Foundry Direct Connect that 18A is a mostly internal node, and that 18A-P is what customers were more interested in. This isn't really news?
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  • joeer77
    Time to sell my Intel stock...
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  • jg.millirem
    Constantly changing plans, floundering, hapless.
    Reply
  • DHB
    User of Computers said:
    Intel has been saying since Foundry Direct Connect that 18A is a mostly internal node, and that 18A-P is what customers were more interested in. This isn't really news?
    Instead of writing 18a off why not charge what Apple can’t refuse? Or for loss not to excede write off/loss? And get a customer in the process.

    I don’t get the company’s thinking and as my background is software, so just my naive 2¢.

    Paying the cost to develop for a new process may not make sense if 18a isn’t sufficiently better than TSMC, but getting another supplier usually is a good thing. (However, If it ain’t broke…)
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  • sseemaku
    Just saw a post few days back that demand for advanced nodes has skyrocketed. And then we have Intel struggling to get any customers for its advanced node. I hope people more knowledgeable can throw some light on what are the issues with 18A.
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  • TerryLaze
    DHB said:
    Instead of writing 18a off why not charge what Apple can’t refuse? Or equivalent to write off loss?
    What do you mean by "writing off" ? They are going to use 18A the same way they used all of their nodes from since they became intel, they will make a full line up and sell them.
    With only two foundries that make 18A there is probably no space for anybody else's products anyway.
    Intel will have to get a few more fabs running for them to have enough fabs to produce for others as well.
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  • JamesJones44
    Presumably Intel is still using 18A internally for their own up coming processors. Some of that would not be allowed to be written off. Intel would have to show without a doubt that the machines are being "scrapped" and not used for other purpose. It could save money by not scaling a node to other fabs due to low external demand, but I'm a little more skeptical about how much they will actually be able to write down if they still use the nodes for internal products. I suppose if they only produce their internal products at one site, they could write off/down the others.
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  • S58_is_the_goat
    Is this the new 10nm?
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  • Eximo
    S58_is_the_goat said:
    Is this the new 10nm?
    Not if it gets used by Intel. They did skip 20A I suppose. If they use all the manufacturing capacity to make Core and Xeon, and maybe Arc tiles/GPUs I would call that a success. Even if Intel doesn't end up competing well.
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  • TerryLaze
    JamesJones44 said:
    Presumably Intel is still using 18A internally for their own up coming processors. Some of that would not be allowed to be written off. Intel would have to show without a doubt that the machines are being "scrapped" and not used for other purpose. It could save money by not scaling a node to other fabs due to low external demand, but I'm a little more skeptical about how much they will actually be able to write down if they still use the nodes for internal products. I suppose if they only produce their internal products at one site, they could write off/down the others.
    However, in addition to Intel itself, only Amazon, Microsoft, and the U.S. Department of Defence have formally confirmed plans to use 18A. While Broadcom and Nvidia are also reportedly testing Intel's latest process technology, they have yet to commit to using it for actual products.
    Ms=15B
    US DoD=3B
    Amazon= "multibillion"
    Intel itself= ~17B gross last year and that was using tsmc, so that would be a minimum for their own node.

    That should cover the expenses of the 2 or three FABs that are ready to make 18A, they spend about 90B until now so they will be getting back a good chunk of that.
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